I have never seen such perfect sentences.
A paragraph. It’s called a paragraph.
#Charles Dance: Clueless about how classy he is since 1946
"Did they… Tell you who I am?"
"Some DEAD MAN!!"
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Why does he exist
Because he’s Awesome
If this involves Naoto, well he’s kinda wrong. It’s pretty manly to straight up disguise yourself as a man and have people refer to you as a man, even when you’re not. The only reason she did this is because she knew no real police officers and detectives could take her seriously if she decided to be a detective, even if her family history involves famous detectives. She did this so she could get a foothold on a career she enjoys doing. And when he secret got out, people accepted it.
As for Yosuke’s response, he’s just kind of a dick to most people. He and Naoto, along with the others, become really close friends after.
Ok Rising-Superstar is right, He is being a dick. But you have just picked out a moment when he is being a dick. Yosuke is a deep character with, what do you cal them. Oh yes CHARACTER FLAWS, If you’re really going to start an argument about how he is a Homophobic, than please get out, go leave the fandom, because you obviously don’t care enough about the characters to be part of it.
If the Argument is that he is sexist at times, fine it’s true, but what do expect from a normal 16 year old guy, (yeah he doesn’t use Tumblr) he wouldn’t be as “P.C.” as all of Tumblr(Looping back to CHARACTER FLAWS)
Wait isn’t this the part where they have to dress up like girls? I don’t think Naoto had ANYTHING to do with this line? I mean yeah Yosuke has had some homophobic dude bro lines here and there but hey dumb teenager.
I dunno it just seems dumb to dislike a character entirely because they aren’t progressive. If anything this just makes him dressing up like a girl funnier.
Okay, let me start by saying there is nothing more I appreciate more than characters with some strong development. Giving fictional characters a set of qualities, good or bad, which emulates human nature in general to the point where the player/reader can identify themselves with them or know of someone who acts similar to that character is a worthwhile, astonishing feat. It’s something I find that is incredibly hard for most aspiring writers and veterans of the trade alike.
However, I believe that just as much as you can like a character due to character development reasoning, you can also detest them just as much. If there are certain aspect of someone you know in real life that are downright offensive, hurtful and/or disrespectful and you don’t like it, what makes you think it’s going to be any less different juxtaposed behind a face of character in a video game, cartoon or such?
In case you haven’t noticed, while flaws within certain characters can be forgiven or not even being taken into serious consideration, there are some characters whose flaws are enough to warrant a rejection from most players who interact with them. Another thing I’d like to say is that every character created by work of fiction is liked by one person and hated by another—it’s quite a vicious cycle, really, but it’s facts. You should probably just agree to disagree on those terms, get curious and ask why they love/hate that character (ain’t nothing like perspective, people) and part ways. There’s no need to insult someone or lose your cool just because someone isn’t as passionate about your character as you are. I know it’s irrelevant to all this but I still felt the need urge to say it.
That being said, I’m not knocking down Yosuke as a character at all…I will admit he’s a thought-out and memorable character of the P4 world. What I am trying to say is that BECAUSE of these qualities Yosuke embodies, I deeply resent and dislike him for it. As many people have admitted about him, he’s homophobic, sexist, perverted, a “disappointment” (I suppose this is a running gag and I would feel sorry for him but in this case I don’t), and offensive; if I met a person like him in real life, there would be no way in hell I would want to pursue a friendship with them or even stay for their company. The only way I would give Yosuke a fighting chance is if we actually got a chance to see Yosuke reform his ways and, like the coming-of-age process we all went through, mature into a tolerant person who may not even agree with the way certain things are in life, but is smart enough to respect it and turn the other way. To be honest, my hatred of Yosuke doesn’t stem entirely from Yosuke (it’s like 75% of it at best), but of that from the writers of P4, coming from a place of society that is openly indifferent about homosexuality and yet trivializes it for girls so they can get their little shits and giggles from it (and banned same-sex marriage in the country), and regards women as submissive and weak as opposed to men. The developers say that Yosuke is often the picture of an average awkward teenager most Japanese men were growing up, and if that is the case, then I’m glad I wasn’t brought up over there.
The fandom is quite lovely, by the way. God bless ‘em.
But see that’s the thing. The concept that “Women are weak” or “Real men don’t do girly things” aren’t concepts that are completely native to Japan. They’re stuff guys hear all the time, even here in America. I’ve heard my mom and dad talk at length about how men shouldn’t wear dresses.
I think in hating characters, teenage characters for saying stuff like this we’re ignoring one basic fact. The fact that these opinions are only formed once they’ve been said long enough with no opposing arguments until it just becomes a fact to that person.
Why IS Yosuke so afraid of having his masculinity tested like this? Who told him it’s not manly for men to wear dresses or that gay guys might try to grope and molest you in your sleep if you sleep in the same tent?
Yosuke says some problematic things throughout the course of the game that make him seem like a terrible person but as you go throughout the course of the game you can CLEARLY see he’s not a bad guy and if someone were to give a GOOD counterpoint to these shitty opinions he has or even that what he’s saying might be hurtful or insulting he’d think twice about opening his mouth about it. He just THINKS guys shouldn’t do girly things is a FACT, so he states it as such. And NO ONE says otherwise so what does he have to think about? He doesn’t SEEM like the type of person who actively WANTS to upset people, in fact quite the opposite.
He just has an idea of what guys should be and what girls should be because of either how he was raised or what he saw growing up or a mixture of both.
I do see your point, and if someone did go up to Yosuke and questioned his mindset on certain things, then that would be really ideal. However, the society this game is based upon is in not in other places which also supports homophobia or promotes sexism, but Japan and Japan only. A society where people who are gay, lesbian, bisexual, or transgender deliberately hide it from friends and family in order to avoid public shame and even marry others of the opposite sex in order to “fit in.” A society where women are expected to bend to a man’s will and bare through it all without any concern of wellbeing on their part. I know I’m getting carried away here, but this is the world P4 is based in, nowhere else. Basically, Yosuke’s mindset is something in which that society primarily agrees upon, and I believe for that reason, Yosuke can get away with some messed-up things he says and does, jokingly or not.
It really doesn’t matter if Yosuke’s a teenager, a little kid, or a grown-ass man. If you’re offensive, you’re offensive. I used to be a teenager too, and I’m very well sure that if I came across a teen like Yosuke, I wouldn’t wish them well. The excuse that Yosuke’s a teenager is just something I can’t buy into because not every teenager has (or has had) a mindset like Yosuke’s.
Also, I’m kind of confused. What do you mean my opinion, "only formed once they’ve been said long enough with no opposing arguments until it just becomes a fact to that person?" Are you supposing that I’ve been going around saying this and getting away with it because no one else took the time and say something about it like you are now? Also, who said anything about it being “fact?”
Like I’ve said before, the beauty of character development is that it can make you relate to a character, love that character, or downright hate them. Yosuke has some really great character development and it’s good he has people out there who can identify with them and/or love him just as he is. Once again I will say from my own experiences, the very qualities and flaws he possesses are what make me hate him. That’s the wonderful thing of character development. Until I actively see Yosuke realizing the error of his ways and apologizing to those he offended (Kanji and Hanako come to mind) and being a little more open-minded, I’m probably going to continue disliking Yosuke for a long time. I’m sorry but it is what it is.
Yosuke is a dick. But he’s not just a dick. It’s important to remember that characters aren’t just the amalgamation of the things we dislike about them. It’d be like watching Game of Thrones and deciding we hate Tyrion because he’s not more sympathetic toward those who suffer some form of retardation (don’t even). Yes, he’s a dick about that, but hey, he also hurts, loves, cares. If you prick Yosuke, be bleeds, just like me and you. We have to remember that. We have to understand that we’re all just the output of our inputs.
Sure, you can say ‘Hey, man, you’re a dick about this.’ But you can also appreciate that he, too, has issues. And that he, too, has to develop. It’s not right to despise someone because of their flaws - even if their flaws are hurtful to others. Because we agree that his sort of parochial thinking is a flaw, right? So sure, by all means, go through the game wishing he’d wise up. But understand that he is likeable and relatable in other regards, and even those who he’s offended still like and understand him. He’s not out there with a picket, screaming God hates fags. He’s not attacking people because they’re black. And that’s important. Because as harmful as these views are, collectively, his actual actions alone don’t result in more than his friends being uncomfortable. And, as is clear, he’d still die for those he’s insensitive toward. He still loves his friends. Why disregard that?
The harm of his actions is not great. And we can only hope he develops in a way which makes him understand. After all, we all have our blind spots and our insensitivities. So please, be more understanding of people who aren’t understanding. And whilst condemning their bad qualities, recognise their good ones!
if anyone ever asks me what tumblr is i’m gonna show them this video and just walk away
GOD ITS 5AM AND IM TRYING TO HOLD IN MY LAUGHTER FUCK
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But remember kids, feminists are good.
this would be funny if it wasn’t so true and sad
laughing because until now people are still blaming his mental illness and not his internalized misogyny
Ok yes you guys have your suicide prevention talks, and I’m sorry these so-called feminists shut you down.
But this person has heavily internalized misogyny and basically shot 7 people (including men) because ‘he couldn’t get laid despite being an “alpha male”’ and labelled women ‘sluts’ just because nobody wanted to date him. Not to mention the fact that his sociopathic tendencies basically obscured any major alarms of having help- and he did have therapy for his mental illnesses.
Also reminder that countless men have gone to his Youtube video saying ‘see this is what happens when you don’t want the d HAHA you deserve it’
So please, shut up and eat your fucking fedora. Thanks.
Oh god, of all the stupid little girls I’ve seen on this website, this one is the fucking stupidest. Let’s take some bitchcraft to this bloated hog of an idiotic rant, shall we?
"laughing because until now people are still blaming his mental illness"
The idea that someone killed a bunch of people because he was a sociopath and not because he had a penis makes you laugh? Feminists have such odd senses of humour.
"and not his internalized misogyny"
How can he have internalised misogyny if he’s a man, you stupid girl? Do you even know what that word means? Or are you just throwing around words you don’t know the meaning of to sound clever? Wait, we already know the answer to that one.
"Ok yes you guys have your suicide prevention talks"
Until the next time a feminist becomes outraged that such things are being discussed without her permission or authority, right?
"and I’m sorry these so-called feminists shut you down."
Please drop the lip-service and the crocodile tears whist trying to distance yourself from these feminists, sweetheart, you’re not fooling anyone. So called feminists? Nice “no true scotsman”. Isn’t this exaclty what you YesAllWomen troglodytes constantly whine about? About how men are more concerned with saying they are not all rapists then they about rape victims, and how “not all men” is something only a pathetic manbaby would do? Well you did one better then Not All Feminists, you just claimed they’re not even feminists. Hypocrisy? In my feminism? It’s a lot more common then you think.
"But this person has heavily internalized misogyny"
Please look up that fucking word.
"and basically shot 7 people (including men) because ‘he couldn’t get laid despite being an “alpha male”’ and labelled women ‘sluts’ just because nobody wanted to date him"
Guess what? One of those seven people was him. Not just including men. Almost entirely men. Five of his victims, including himself, were male. Two of them were female. No including. Almost entirely. And guess what? He hated everyone. He hated men who were richer and more successful then him. He also despited full blooded asian men (despite being half asian: three of his victims, the ones who were stabbed rather then shot, where young east Asian men), latino men and black men: he saw all of them as ugly, bestial and subhuman. He also had nothing but contempt for the poor. So what do you make of the fact that he hated just about everyone, and had no respect or love for his own family, saying they had an obligation to sacrifice everything for his happiness? Hmmm?
"Not to mention the fact that his sociopathic tendencies"
So you admit he’s a sociopath but of course misogyny is the reason why he killed four men and two women and himself and vowed to kill and torture many more, and not his sociopathy.
"basically obscured any major alarms of having help"
Do you even know what you are frigging talking about, sweetheart?
"and he did have therapy for his mental illnesses"
I love how the more you pay lip service to his mental illnesses, the more you demonstrate you don’t have the slightest idea what you are talking about.
"Also reminder that countless men have gone to his Youtube video saying ‘see this is what happens when you don’t want the d HAHA you deserve it’
Ah youtube videos. The domain of the ironclad factual evidence. I guess if we are going by youtube comments, then the members of One Direction have had their girlfriends murdered over 10,0000 times and they are all married to about a million different fourteen year olds. Because, you know, youtube comments are evidence.
"So please, shut up and eat your fucking fedora. Thanks."
Why don’t you shut up and eat your wilful distortion of facts? Or do you have to go pull another firealarm at a meeting about suicide rates in young men, and then declare it a feminist victory against fedoras or whatever stereotype you feminist fuckwits queef out to justify your hypocrisy and spite? The fact is, you lot don’t give a damn about anyone but yourselves, that’s why you’re whoring out the death of six people (after careful revisionism of the facts) as some sort of gotcha against “fedoras”.
…you ever see someone so willing to believe something they will twist everything yo fit their views?
Poppy has reblogged this, not from a free thinking person, but from a religious fanatic.
I’m so amused that I’m labelled a religious fanatic and stupid because I’ve aired my views about this. Genius isn’t it, but ok, let’s talk things out. What I’m annoyed is that how people are still internalizing this whole fiasco as ‘purely and unabashedly mental illness’ when it never would’ve been a problem without the internalized notion that he had to get laid in order to achieve something in life. Not to mention how when he made comments on various MRA platforms, he was egged on and supported by other MRAs to do it. That alone is evidence enough, and funnily, though you keep saying ‘please produce proof’ you haven’t procured a single link.
As for the Youtube comments thing, sure, 1D fans and what have you. Are you able to ignore the Facebook page that hailed him as a hero against Feminazis then? People have things they will never say in real life and use a digital mask to speak with, and this is one of those examples. Those comments there are people agreeing that ‘hey this man has balls’ and outright admitting that it was ok because hey, the girl refused to fuck him and the guys with said girls didn’t deserve the girl to fuck, amirite?
I sure as hell don’t have a huge treasure trove of knowledge regarding that field, but I assure you that I’m not putting it there as some token because well, god forbid that years of therapy makes the kid learn to conceal his negative feelings and hide it from the masses in an attempt to ‘look and present a normal exterior’. You do realize that mentally ill people always try to appear normal a lot so that they won’t draw attention to themselves due to the stigma surrounding them, right? Do you?
And how can he have internalized misogyny as a man? Ask the radfems why they have internalized misandry. It’s the same argument, and I’m amazed that as an SJW you’d be asking me this. If you agree that he ‘can’t have misogynistic tendencies’ then congratulations because you are part of the problem. It’s because of people like you that assume ‘men cannot be misogynistic’ that contributes to this kind of violence depicted above, sorry. I assume you’re that person that states that ‘you can’t be racist to whites’ or ‘you can’t be sexist to men’ too.
Wow this is such a wall of text I’m sorry I hope I’m not crushing your soft fee-fees
…..anyone wanna take this? Im a bit busy at the moment.
My stupidity phone line is currently ringing non-stop, I’m sorry, you were saying? I’m laughing again, you probably didn’t read my argument and I think tumblr user poppysticks mixed up misogyny with misandry- hence their whole ‘woah wait how is this so’ argument previously made. The kid basically grew up seeing his father change girlfriends like laundry, and was inculcated with the notion that power belied in getting laid. If that’s not internalized misogyny, I have no idea what is.
I’m going to bed though. Tell me the next time something blows up ok?
Your stupidity phone-line is ringing because you’re calling yourself with a second phone. INTERNALIZED means DIRECTED AT ONESELF. For Elliot Rodger to have INTERNALIZED misogyny, he would HAVE TO BE A WOMAN AND HATE THAT ASPECT OF HIMSELF! I think the word you’re looking for is just plain misogyny. Poppy tried to subtly point this out to you before but you’re too dedicated in your ignorance to even check yourself.
And what everyone is trying to say is that implying that it was just his hatred of women, when he hated literally everyone, that prompted his spree killing is turning a tragic event into a feminist talking point, it’s highly fucking insensitive and sociopathic of you, because you care more about pushing your agenda than the human lives that were lost.
Yes, he was a sociopath, he was racist, he was misanthropic, he hated everyone…and to suggest “well if he just got laid then he wouldn’t have gone and killed all those people” is as sexist as anything else you could say, as it assumes that all violent men “just need to get laid.” Maybe you’re right. Maybe the lack of sex is what pushed him over the edge. But we’ll never know for certain, and asserting it as fact so that you can push the message of “entitled man kills 6 and then himself because he thinks he’s owed womens’ bodies” just shows how much of a shitty human being you are.
STOP USING 4 DEAD MEN AND 2 DEAD WOMEN AS A PLATFORM FOR YOUR SEXIST FEMINIST AGENDA!!!
Feminism, like the progressive movement in general, is being hijacked by radicals. And we’re all so used to fighting for equality against a hostile mainstream that we suddenly don’t know how to react when we see people within our own progressive ranks who are not with us, but using us, to further their own warped agenda; to further their own ‘equality my way’ agenda. Let’s not let that happen.
So this is what trust looks like.
this is what it feels like
The original trust fall
A federal judge overturned the 2013 conviction of a former NYPD police officer who was accused in a gruesome plot to kidnap women, cook them and dine on their “girl meat,” and he was set to be released Tuesday.
The kidnapping conspiracy conviction against Gilberto Valle was rejected by Manhattan Federal District Court judge Paul G. Gardephe, who said there was not enough evidence to support it, according to the New York Times. Valle faced a sentence of up to life in prison for that conviction.
WTF? This is further proof that cops have impunity in America, even when they’re alleged to be a potential man-eating serial killer.
This man illegally gained access to the NYPD database to help him create a list of 100 women in NYC that he planned to kidnap, torture, kill, COOK AND EAT.
His wife turned him in after finding disturbing photo’s on his computer along with his plans to bring her to Pakistan to cook and eat her.
Judge Paul Gardephe says “Valle’s Internet communications about kidnapping are fantasy role-play,”
Prosecutors had argued Valle took steps to carry out his plot, including looking up potential targets on a restricted law enforcement database; searching the Internet for how to knock someone out with chloroform and where to get torture devices and other tools.
He is now working as a cook in a jailhouse.
And here we have about the sum total of what I remember from two years of Japanese study, including a year in Japan :D